After 9 seasons my boat was in need of new carpet and since I had to replace carpet I decided to re-design the interior. It was really designed as a walleye boat with a decent size front deck and probably the largest in class rear deck, gunnel level baitwells and huge and deep floor area. When I bought it back in January 2001 I compromised, as many people do, and settled on the perfect hull but with an interior layout that worked but wasn't great.
I wish I had started with photos of the boat before I removed everything (I'll try to dig some up that show the original interior).
The first photos show the boat down to the aluminum framework.
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This group of photos shows the dryfit of the new decks. Not cut in yet are two more hatch doors that will access a a 54.5" long and 20" wide tackle box that should easily hold 300+ lures (I'm sure I'll fill it and start using other storage). The new front deck is now 7' long with an added storage compartment in the old deck area. I have to thank Jim and Matt tenHaaf for welding the aluminum frame to support the additional length of the front deck that will be installed next week.
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"Chasin50" said:
Neat post Will. Look forward to your updates. You are gonna be a busy boy, but what a fun project. I am curious about how you will treat the wood before putting the carpet on?
Surprisingly I have very little time into the project at this point. Well… I guess if you count research time on the internet for design, materials and "how to" it is a lot of time but actual work time to this point is only 10-12 hours.
The wood is going to be covered with a penetrating epoxy on the top and sides. The bottom of the wood doesn't get anything which will prevent moisture from getting trapped. The wood will outlast the carpet as it did the first time.
"Steve S" said:
Is it better using regular plywood with this epoxy than marine plywood?
You'll be sorry you asked this…
90% of my research time has been spent learning about plywood for this project and I've learned more than I ever wanted to learn about this stuff.
First off you can't use pressure treated plywood for a couple reasons:
– PT doesn't mean it is waterproof it only means the treatment has been "pressed" into the wood.
– (most important) the PT that is made now isn't made using arsenic and the chemicals used on PT will cause corrosion in aluminum – that's bad! I was able to find some arsenic PT but it was 3/4" which was too thick.
Marine plywood is graded "marine plywood" for a few reasons:
– It is made with a waterproof glue when laminated
– There aren't voids in the lamination (voids trap water and promote rot)
– The type of wood is also better quality than pine and flexes better
Cons/misconceptions:
– Marine plywood is NOT waterproof but is resistant, it is only waterproof when glassed.
– Marine plywood is expensive ($80-150/sheet) and very hard to find since most/all is imported.
Marine plywood is best/intended for building wood boats.
Exterior grade plywood is built like marine plywood without voids in the laminations (or very few) and uses waterproof glue. This comes in many grades with the most common being CDX (this is what you'll find at places like Home Depot – it is inexpensive). CDX isn't a good option because there will be voids in the laminations and the faces of the wood may have knots that aren't filled. BC grade is somewhat common but is usually pine and fir is what you want for a boat deck. AB or AC exterior fir plywood is the best for building boat decks and some people use AB to build wood boats. While it is not waterproof it is very resistant to the elements and when properly sealed it will last a long time. AB and AC isn't carried at many places because they don't sell much of it.
"Jim tenHaaf" said:
Lookin' great, Will. Don't forget to drill your holes for the seats!
LOL, I'll try not to forget that. I forgot to bring my hole saw…
well I'm just a touch impressed… [smilie=applause.gif]
Dow had a hand in making some of the 'enviro-friendly' arsenic replacement materials treatments, and you are spot on with the direct contact action on aluminum. That can be prevented with certain barrier layers…but that's a pain. Also, for the same reasons that arsenic is nasty and the replacement materials are comparitively benign, it flat out doesn't work as well…dang government regs jumped the gun a bit (by 10 years most say) on mandating x% of arsenic-free offerings, and now decks across America will pay!
Anyway, I have done a similar project 2 times now and the epoxy over plywood really holds up. I thinned mine a bit to get it to penetrate a little better, also can be done by heating, but anything above 120 F and I start to get worried about it reacting to quickly. For most epoxies these days the thinning isn't as necessary. You using West System?
"gmochty" said:
Hey Will
Did you find any cracked welds around the hull or transom?I have yet to find a defect in my Tundras transom or hull and I've hit some BIG waves! 😀
I found one cracked weld on the whole thing where the aluminum sheet is welded to the rear deck over the livewell. It isn't structural and the aluminum isn't even needed there. Every other weld is perfect.
"mskyprey" said:
Looking good Will, are you going to center mount you console or keep it side mounted? Just out of curiosity, where is your fuel tank located?Any thoughts on LED lighting for night fishing?
No, the console is staying on the side. The boat when done will look basically like the Lund LE models of the past w/ long front deck and setback console.
The 30 gal fuel tank is under the floor:
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Do you mean LED's for the nav. lights or to light the floor? One thing about night fishing is that the more you have/use lights the less your eyes get used to seeing in the dark. I turn the backlight way down on my graph and gps and use a headlamp as little as possible to maintain good night vision.
"Will Schultz" said:
[quote="mskyprey"]Looking good Will, are you going to center mount you console or keep it side mounted? Just out of curiosity, where is your fuel tank located?Any thoughts on LED lighting for night fishing?
Do you mean LED's for the nav. lights or to light the floor? One thing about night fishing is that the more you have/use lights the less your eyes get used to seeing in the dark. I turn the backlight way down on my graph and gps and use a headlamp as little as possible to maintain good night vision.
Most nights I found the anchor light to be overpowering as well, I am in the middle of a discreet LED (2.4mm) project at work here and may out fit the lure box with one or 2. If time permits I was thinking about LED placement at the cutters/pliers holder and other key areas. My floor is out as well, and I am figuring out lighting/wiring for the front of my boat too.
I was thinking of making an LED kit for nav and beacon lights, maybe an auction item.
Where are you going to hide your cooler?
This round of work completed the installation of the “tenHaaf project”. Jim and Matt did an awesome job building the aluminum frame for the deck extension. Everything fit perfectly and it installed in minutes.
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With the frame installed I was able to cut the new hatch doors to access all the storage that the deck extension created. There’s almost too much storage in the boat now. I put 12 plano 3730 boxes into the new storage and barely filled half of the box. Yikes…
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After a few more cuts everything was ready for a final dry-fit. This is the last chance to make adjustments to areas that are too close to fit once carpet is installed. I’ve got a couple of those that will need to be adjusted but other than that the next steps are wood prep and carpet installation.
Here’s a view of the new front deck. Plenty of room for two people now.
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View from the back deck.
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Overhead of the seating area and front deck.
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Another angle of the seating area.
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View from the side of the new seating area. Though the area behind the seats looks minimal a large box like a Lakewood monster or Flambeau maximizer will fit behind the seats with plenty of room to spare.
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I need to thank Trevor for helping out on Saturday afternoon. Things would have been slower without his help.
"Chasin50" said:
Will,Really nice work! Did you end up putting a "floor in the bottom of the storage compartments? Overall, this boat looks like a casters dream…
Thanks, it's been a lot of fun to this point. Hopefully things go as smoothly for the rest of the project.
You can't see the floors on the final dryfit but each compartment has a floor that will be covered in carpet.
"Jim tenHaaf" said:
Phew!! It fit! I was waiting for that phone call to say I would have to adjust something. Looks AWESOME!
Yes, it is awesome – I owe you.
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