I think this may have been discussed before, and if so, please direct me… What is the best weagle rod and what have been your most effective retrieve styles?
Do you use the same rod for the Wabull? And again, various retrieves? Here is an example of the Wabull/Baby Wabull. Anyone work it like this?
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Chad,
I prefer an 8' MH or H action rod. I used to walk my dogs with shorter rods but changed to longer rods and like them better. I have several retrieves but I usually use a quick 1.2, 1.2, 1.2 with a snap about every 1/2 second. Once you get the cadence going the tail should slap the water…slap…slap,slap. 😀
I throw a pause in once in a while for good measure. I aslo slow down my speed at times to let the bait swing wider but only on occasion.
Hi Chad, this year I had the best action ever on Weagles but I went totally the opposite direction that most like with this lure. I have been using a 7 foot heavy action cue stick of a St. Croix. I am using slightly longer snaps/pulls and getting huge swooshes and longer glides. It requires the boat to be near still but the results have been awsome. I have averaged 6 hits per trip this way. I have also been coming slightly from the side instead of straight down. The Tail pushes up a pretty good wall of water and the sound is very distinct. The 4.8 ounce version has been the best in my book. I cant wait for ice out. I no longer have a Wabull and opt for the 9 inch Hoosier glide for that application. I use the same rod for them. Mike
Both baits like a stiffer rod and the 8' premier is about as light as you would want to go.
A Weagle can be worked fast or slow or in the middle but it's designed to go slow and works best that way. How slow? Trevor said "this is about as much fun as vertical jigging" I think his opinion eventually changed over the next two hours. If you want a search lure pick something different.
A Wabull was also designed to go SLOW but can also be worked faster with good results. This bait is an unglider or it has been called a dive/glide. A Wabull can be similar to a Reef Hawg, if you let it, or it can be worked like a normal zig zag glider. As with any glider a straight cadence might be the ticket one day and the next day they want it worked with a mixed cadence.
I guess what I'm trying to say (type) is that there doesn't seem to be a "best way" to fish the Wabull. The Weagle is best slow and sometimes slower than slow.
I have been using a fast action esox brand rod in the 7'10". THis rod, it think, is possibly too light and too fast… I have not tried a weagle or wabull with one of my 8'premiers thinking it would be too slow of an action…
I have a 7' shimano that is stiffer and slower than the esox and stiffer and faster than the 8' premier. maybe Iwill try that.
Will, what do you think would be the best rod overall if buying new?
I don't know what it is about that 7'10" Esox Rod, it feels like it would be perfect but there's just something about it that doesn't work well with a Weagle. I thought it was just me but maybe not…
I don't think action is as important as the tip stiffness, if that makes sense. The medium action on the 8' premier works better than a fast action rod with a more flexible tip.
I used a 6'9" St. Croix with my Weagle this year with very good results. I did catch a few fish working the Weagle faster than the norm ("Burning the Weagle" as KID and I said), but on days where not many fish were moving… the SLOW Weagle worked better.
As far as hooking percentage goes… I connected with about half of the strikes. I do think the hooking percentage goes UP the slower you work it… easier for the fish to hit I suppose.
As far as the Wabull goes… I haven't exactly figured that bait out. I moved a few fish with mine, and only boated one fish (a nice northern). I think it looks better moving slow… but the fish haven't told me what they like yet!
Scott
I have not used either the weagle or wabull much beacuase I can't seem to work them if the boat is moveing (i.e. search mode), or if there is any presense of current. Current seems to really mess me up with these baits… The only day I had good success with a weagle was up in Anchor bay in a no/low current area fishing with Chris barton. Me moved several fish, including some nicer ones. Even had several swing and a miss hits… Later in that visit Mike caught his PB on a Weagle in the same area… I am on a mission to figure these baits out for next season…
"Chasin50" said:
I have not used either the weagle or wabull much beacuase I can't seem to work them if the boat is moveing (i.e. search mode), or if there is any presense of current.
OK, now it makes sense. Controlled slack is key and while some baits control slack line on their own these baits require the angler to control the slack. Too little and it doesn't work, too much and it doesn't work. You need to let the bait control you, if you try to control the bait and tell it what to do you you will get frustrated.
Micxhelle works a Weagle very well and scored her first Weagle fish this year. She waltzs it in 123 123 123 da da da da . ITS A HOOT. Iwish I had a Trombone in the boat [smilie=brows.gif] [smilie=idea.gif] . Will is correct the bait tells you how to fish it. Also light tips or fast tips dont work well. I cant use the heavy 8 footers because my wrist fails me . The rod I use was a 1 to 3 ounce Avid 8 footer. I broke the top 8 inches off the rod by accident. Now its like 7 foot maybe 7 foot 2 inches. The tip is very stiff now and it works wonders with the Weagles even the heavy ones like the 4.8 ouncers I have. I love fishing them out in front of the boat as I am moving slowly forward along a break or shoreline. The boat gives me more slack so I can keep it slow. When the swoosh is working look out cause its clobberin time. Like Will says ,Weagles are not ment to be search baits but I just cant seem to take mine off the rod ha ha ha . I have a blast fishing them. Mike
I have to say I am with the king and queen on this one. I had always worked the bait real fast, and found it to be right on fish that wanted to eat anything they saw. However that was it. When I saw how to slow the bait down and wait for the pause it drew more strikes! Also when I went with the St Croix 7,6 it helped get a longer draw to the bait. Here is to 08, and trying it some more!
My favorite time to fish a Weagle is at first light or just before dark. I like dead calm water to light ripples with low light conditions. Heavy dark cloud cover works well to. But the best is calm conditions where the boat moves as I want it to. If I am being blown down a breakline or fighting to keep the boat in position the Weagle comes off in favor of some other lure that fishes easier and or faster. Bucktails and bulldawgs come to mind in this situation. The fisherman or woman needs to be locked on to the bait and not fighting the wind and boat control to be effective.
The Little Claw is much the same but can be fished in windy conditions effectively. I do the best on Claws when I can see the lure all the way back to the boat. This is why I catch so many fish on Little claws in early morning hours and calm days. Both the Weagle and Little Claw twitch bait are Visual lures where it is nessecary to see the lure to get the best results. Mike
I can hardly relate to what you are talking about… What is "calm water". I would say 1 in 10 trips for me is "calm", meaning no current, waves, wind, etc.
I wifsh I had just one inland lake closer than 1 hour and 40 minuts fom my house…
I will have to hook up with more of the west siders or Midland gang I guess… [smilie=violin.gif]
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