"Scrappy" said:
Seriously, am I the only one that continues to think it is a HUGE mistake to even think about adding lakes to the stocking list when we don't even raise enough muskies to properly stock the lakes we have now?
Lighten up Francis… Everyone wants muskies in their back yard, including you.
"Will Schultz" said:
[quote="Scrappy"]Seriously, am I the only one that continues to think it is a HUGE mistake to even think about adding lakes to the stocking list when we don't even raise enough muskies to properly stock the lakes we have now?
Lighten up Francis… Everyone wants muskies in their back yard, including you.
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And we are the dreamer of dreams,
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And sitting by desolate streams;
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One man with a dream, at pleasure,
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I am just glad that in the face of the states finacial ruin that we have any fish at all. I hope we can continue to aid the D.N.R. in this Iowa Program and any other program which will continue to put Muskies in current waters and or add new lakes. We have added some much needed lakes in the north west and north east sectors (Hamlin and Winyah) These were both very good choices. Scrappy, I feel for you guys over there but I have my own lakes over here that have not been stocked since 1991. At least there are fish in the Tit Chain . There is nothing in Mona but Giant Gizzard shad and carp. Blue lake is full of stunted pike and both were Tiger Musky lakes at one time. The best thing we can do is to help raise monies because without it we get nothing at all. We have to stay positive and be patient. Everyone involved knows that you and I want fish in our waters but it is done by scientific selection and placement where the state is lacking in the cases of Winyah ,Margarethe and Hamlin. We needed Musky waters in the northern sectors and now we have them. If you look at the State you can see how the Stocking are being spread out by sector . It is my belief that they are doing the best they can with the limited numbers of fingerlings available. The main problem has been and will remain the lack of funds and hatchery space to put out the numbers we would like to see.
Maybe some privatization of these hatcheies would be a good thing or at least allowing the purchase of more out of state Fingerlings by Groups such as ourselves might come into play due to these financial woes we are faced with. Remember this I have to drive over an hour to get to Osterhout . Its a dinky little puddle but its the closest lake to me. Murray is a little furthur and much better but thats it. I have zero muskies in my back yard . Mike and Michelle
Just a reminder for all…
The Iowa Program ended in 2006, 2007 is a unique year and though it sounds like we just continued the MMA/IA-DNR/MI-DNR muskie program this was NOT a continuation of this program. I know this has come up a couple times over the last month and I want to set the record straight once and for all – There is no Iowa program any longer.
The Michigan DNR does not want to continue this program because they no longer want to stock this genetically different strain (though by all accounts it appears to be a superior strain). Also, if the GLS program gets off the ground there will be nowhere to put Iowa fish in early July.
I couldn't be happier with the lakes that have been stocked since 97. Living in Grand Rapids I now have several bodies of water that I can target within an hour drive and the future looks bright all over the state. The lakes continued with pure strains (post tiger program), were in my opinion, chosen wisely. Although many good “Tiger” lakes were passed over, I’ll settle for Campau, Murray, and Austin any day (not to mention 5 or 6 other easy day trips). As Kingfisher pointed out we should all be exited and grateful that lakes in the northern portion of the state are getting some fish. The state needed to be balanced out. Those of you in the middle of the state (Titty chainers) in any direction you can stick quality fish. Not to mention a chain that will get supplemental stockings as well as give up FAT trophy fish in the back yard (FINALLY 3228 @ 11.5, so there!!!!) All I have to do to pump myself up in the winter is ponder possibilities in lakes such as Hamlin, Margrethe, Winyah, and many others now…. These lakes are diverse bodies of water and will add variety to the selection of naturally occurring waters in the north. Now we’ve got GLSers, natural, and stocked to the north with good chances at those fish maybe reproducing. Five years ago I wasn’t all that excited about buying land in Northern MI, I am now! The lakefront communities and sportsman in the area will be educated and practice CPR. Where as current ideologies in the northern section of MI preach that anything over 36" goes on the wall and dark house notes are shared from TC to the Indian River Chain. The state needs muskies to the north and will rely on MMA to see that they are respected and protected. So yeah, I fish the western area and I’m glad to see 850 go to Dianne and the rest to Sanford because its not THAT far and its MY state. Don’t ever wanna hear “to close to Indy or Wisc boarder “(Dianne)(UP border lakes), we’ve never fished Tipp, Webb, and BarB // the NORTHWOODS?? Come on! We’re all in this together at a time when a good portion of reducing the state budget is being raped from our DNR, not to mention VHS in the mix. So hats off for 4000 little fish that swam away from the tanks recently and kudos to anyone who had even the slightest role in getting them here.
Will, do you/Iowa/anyone have any feedback on the size that the Iowa strain can grow to be in their old age? Any reports of 50-inch fish? 55-inch fish?
"Will Schultz" said:
Just a reminder for all……The Michigan DNR does not want to continue this program because they no longer want to stock this genetically different strain
(though by all accounts it appears to be a superior strain). Also, if the GLS program gets off the ground there will be nowhere to put Iowa fish in early July.
"john c" said:
Will, do you/Iowa/anyone have any feedback on the size that the Iowa strain can grow to be in their old age? Any reports of 50-inch fish? 55-inch fish?
How about over 50 pounds? This is an Iowa fish from Mille Lacs.
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