ok, gotcha..and my friend told me his garcia that he was using is only a 5.2 but was having incredible retrieve speeds without much effort, on quite an older reel too. So im guessing less line then ill try? and the line i have been using is TUF line, ive mentioned before in a thread, its the low-stretch line that is all white with black alternating strips on it. I believe its something around 60-80 lb? I guess ill have to wait and test out the new reel and see how it works with some of the smaller Double Ten's
"swanezy" said:
So im guessing less line then ill try?
Maybe im reading this wrong but the less line you have will make it harder for you to fish double tens (have to crank the handle more). You want a FULL spool so that each turn of the handle reels in the maximum amount of line. You might even want to overspool your reel because the line wont lay perfectly flat on the spool until it is fished a little bit.
"swanezy" said:
ok, gotcha..and my friend told me his garcia that he was using is only a 5.2 but was having incredible retrieve speeds without much effort, on quite an older reel too. So im guessing less line then ill try? and the line i have been using is TUF line, ive mentioned before in a thread, its the low-stretch line that is all white with black alternating strips on it. I believe its something around 60-80 lb? I guess ill have to wait and test out the new reel and see how it works with some of the smaller Double Ten's
I cheked and your corsair is a 4.7:1 ratio which is pretty slow but powerful. You would have seen a bit difference in that reel and your friends Abu w/ the standard 5.1:1 on the 6500 size. The smaller corsair would be even slower since the smaller spool will take up less line.
The Record that you ordered is going to be the smaller size, either 40 or 50 if it has the 6.3:1 ratio. Because of the smaller reel/spool the line recovered per handle isn't as drastic as one might think. The 50 is about 30" and the 60 is about 25" with the 5.3:1. However… with the smaller spool the amount of line will be less on the reel at the end of the cast so in reality for the first part of the retrieve will be about the same speed if you are turning the handle at the same speed on each reel.
Wow… this is probably way more than anyone on here ever wanted to know about reels. Sorry.
"jasonvkop" said:
[quote="swanezy"]So im guessing less line then ill try?
Maybe im reading this wrong but the less line you have will make it harder for you to fish double tens (have to crank the handle more). You want a FULL spool so that each turn of the handle reels in the maximum amount of line. You might even want to overspool your reel because the line wont lay perfectly flat on the spool until it is fished a little bit.
Yes, I would agree w/ Jason 100% no matter what kind of lure. You wouldn't run the V8 in your truck w/ only 6 spark plug wires attached would you?
Will, Jim told me Okuma has a new reel IDX400"a", can you tell me about this one. Does anyone know the price. I went back and looked at the spec's for the ambassadors I have and they are 5.1:1, is this like the middle of the road? I don't have a rod set up for this and that bait. I just use the same rod and reel and put on a different bait. You'll laugh, I don't have any dawgs or double cowgirl stuff, real old school. Steve
"Steve S" said:
Will, Jim told me Okuma has a new reel IDX400"a", can you tell me about this one. Does anyone know the price. I went back and looked at the spec's for the ambassadors I have and they are 5.1:1, is this like the middle of the road? I don't have a rod set up for this and that bait. I just use the same rod and reel and put on a different bait. You'll laugh, I don't have any dawgs or double cowgirl stuff, real old school. Steve
They needed to mark the reels because there was a manufacturing problem last year and now that it has been fixed they need to identify all the new reels in boxes vs. the old reels. The "a" is a method many companies use to ID specific model years or changes. Nothing else about the reel has changed since the induron was introduced.
The best "all around" gear ratio is 5.1:1 or 5.3:1. You'll get the best out of most lures with that gear ratio. Certain lures that pull hard a lower gear ratio makes the lure easier to wind in. Higher gear ratio reels make taking up line easier but they'll also make the hard pulling baits even harder to pull in.
Another analogy for gear ratio would be pulling a boat up a hill w/ your truck. Is the truck happier and is it easier on the transmission and motor if the truck is in 4th or 3rd when going up a hill? That lower 3rd gear sure makes it easier to pull the boat up the hill and the same is true for a hard pulling bait and a low gear ratio reel. However you'll loose the ability to go fast, just like you would with the truck pulling the boat on flat roads. You'll want that fourth gear for going fast. However, shifting isn't an option for us with our reels so we need to pick something in the middle that can still go fast but has power when needed. Long ago they figured that something right around 5:1 is that perfect middle of the road gear ratio.
I have one 6:1 reel that I only use for bulldawgs and the reason is for taking up slack line quickly. I don't like the reel for anything else and REALLY don't like how the reel fights fish because I don't have the cranking power that I do with a 5:1 reel.
Steve you said you got 8-10 years from your abu's…i would buy more. I use 5500 c3s and c4s' and have not had any problems…granted i maintain my equipment with proper cleaning and lube and consider some repairs normal wear and tear, drag etc. What parts do your reels need? I have rebuilt several for myself that i bought as junk reels. All the parts are cheep and easy to get and they couldnt be easier to work on. I have yet to scuttle an abu from wear and i have a couple that i got when i was a kid in the early 90s.
"swanezy" said:
yea the one i ordered is the RCN50, 6.3:1, but would it still be worth it to keep it? throwing smaller non-DC bucktails it should handle fine and jerkbaits etc..?
This is just my opinion so take it only as such. I would see that reel as more of a niche reel for muskie fishing and not an all-around reel. It would be great for burning rattle traps and smaller blade bucktails. It could be good for some types of jerkbait/minnow bait retrieves but it might not be comfortable with many other lures.
"Steve S" said:
Will, what is the gear ratio on the Okuma and Phlugger? Cool Hand I'm going to save the the 5501 (my favorite) and one of the 5601's. Randy my repair guy said on the other one it is completely seperated from one side, whatever that means. Plus I have 3 6501 right handed, that I hardley use. Steve
My Pflueger Trion 66 is 5.1:1.
the okuma is 5.1:1 as well.
"swanezy" said:
yea i was plannin on using it as only a niche reel, actually just to leave it on my bucktail reel, i am kind of curious how it will handle DC, that are only 2 oz, seeing that smaller dc's dont have nearly the pull that some like the 3.5 oz ones that i have pull.
I wouldnt use it for the double ten bucktails but like Will said I think it would be perfect for burning smaller bladed bucktails like Double Showgirls. When I talk about bigger or smaller bucktails Im usually talking about the blade size as that is probably the biggest factor in how hard they pull in the water.
yea i know what you mean jason, a lot of the DC's ive been looking at have much smaller blades than what i have used before. Many of the DC's i am looking to try are roughly the same size as a showgirl, ill have to see when i finally get to use it and ill stick it on whatever rod it works the best with, i am planning on getting another rod this year for heavier stuff, i just really dont have the cash right now to get all the stuff i want for every situation. The DC's i had last year like i mentioned were quite large, 3.5 ounces i believe and i dont see many out there that are that large. With the explosion of these lures so many companies have gotten into the mix and ive found a lot of quality smaller Double cowgirls at about 1.5 to 2 ounces, which i think the reel should be able to handle fairly well. Until i get some extra cash or a real job since ive graduated college, ill have to deal with what i got cause the bigger DC's are still pretty taxing on my arms with my corsair reels. Just wish i had the cash for a Calcutta
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