I'm not politically correct and will never change, call me a jerk or a Azz. This goes back a ways. At the banquet when the DNR was there, I asked why not put GLS in Hudson There answer was we don't want to mix the two strains. I didn't get to ask a follow up question. It would have been what the hell did you do at Thorn? Duh!! Plus you have pike and they also say they don't like to mix them up. Everybody has there home lake/favorite. Hudson is mine and I try to stand up for it with no clout. When I'm there I try to help people and educate them. I know I won't see this, I'll be dead and gone and they will decided to put them in there and say we should have done this along time ago. It doesn't matter!
"Steve S" said:
I'm not politically correct and will never change, call me a jerk or a Azz. This goes back a ways. At the banquet when the DNR was there, I asked why not put GLS in Hudson There answer was we don't want to mix the two strains. I didn't get to ask a follow up question. It would have been what the hell did you do at Thorn? Duh!! Plus you have pike and they also say they don't like to mix them up. Everybody has there home lake/favorite. Hudson is mine and I try to stand up for it with no clout. When I'm there I try to help people and educate them. I know I won't see this, I'll be dead and gone and they will decided to put them in there and say we should have done this along time ago. It doesn't matter!
Hudson is still getting managed for muskies. Thorn being a brood stock lake is different, and also they PIT tag them in order to keep them separated for egg/milt purposes.
If Hudson wasn't getting stocked at all, I can see being bitter… but Hudson still gets fish so I don't see the issue.
Is Diane going to close Nov 30 for muskies? Hudson does and if it's not a brood stock lake will it be open till March? Diane has a big winter festival there with ice fishing tourney and people probably pull muskies out thinking they have a big pike. Hudson was a good brood stock lake for northern strain, why not GLS and put pit tags in them. Like I said it doesn't matter and I surrender.
"Steve S" said:
Is Diane going to close Nov 30 for muskies? Hudson does and if it's not a brood stock lake will it be open till March? Diane has a big winter festival there with ice fishing tourney and people probably pull muskies out thinking they have a big pike. Hudson was a good brood stock lake for northern strain, why not GLS and put pit tags in them. Like I said it doesn't matter and I surrender.
All brood stock lakes will have the same shortened season and increased size limit, so yes Diane should get the increased MSL and shortened season when they commit to that. Hudson reaps the benefit of having been a brood lake, and remaining on the list in an "if needed" basis, so it still gets the protection. I am sure there is a ton of what ifs that all but a couple (if any) of even know/think about, like hatchery expansion, muskies added to and or increased in the Thompson state hatchery (or Thompson easing the pressure on slamonids and walleye, creating more room for muskies at wolf lake, Matt was pretty vague on the details), etc, all based on time, space and money… But, when I was talking to Matt at the hatchery last fall, and asked if Hudson was going to a brood lake if they decide to continue the NMUS stocking in a few LP lakes, and in the western UP, he said "yes, if we can get to that point". So to ease your frustrations, they don't want to mix them because they still might (hopefully!) have to use what they have there, and want to keep it available… It's a good thing!
Steve I think you missed the point of what was said at the banquet. Hudson has been and will continue to be stocked and maintained, as JP mentions, as our only N strain broodstock. Hudson is 100% N strain. They, of course, don't want to mix them just in case they spawn successfully. Why would they want to mess up our only N strain broodstock lake? Thornapple and Diane are changing over to GLMUS and once the N strain are gone that will leave Hudson as the only option for N muskie eggs making Hudson quite special and important.
Will Diane see a yearly stocking or stay on every other year? And has there been any talk on introducing muskies into any new waters in Michigan? I know of couple lake in hillsdale co. That have a natural Cisco population and the walleyes and pike are massive. What makes the decision on what lakes to stock is it forage? Water clarity? Natural or dammed impoundments?
"alumacraft07" said:
Will Diane see a yearly stocking or stay on every other year? And has there been any talk on introducing muskies into any new waters in Michigan? I know of couple lake in hillsdale co. That have a natural Cisco population and the walleyes and pike are massive. What makes the decision on what lakes to stock is it forage? Water clarity? Natural or dammed impoundments?
Diane should see annual heavy stocking (4/acre) for ten years, then it will back off to every other year and probably 2/acre.
With the change to GLMUS and per the management plan the focus will be on restoration which will include many larger rivers. The likelihood of adding any additional inland waters that are not large rivers or drowned river mouths is low. To your point of the massive pike, that's a good reason to avoid stocking muskies. Low density trophy pike would likely be negatively impacted by adding an additional large apex predator.
Good news for Diane it's a Great Lake. It's my home waters I live 10 minutes away. If there's anything that needs done at that location for the club or if the dnr needs assistance let me know. I'll see what I can do. The lake has been getting more angling pressure all the time. Is there a way to educate non members about surface temps this time of year? I was told at the launch on my last trip that a 53" was caught. Knowing the temps were on the edge all I could think was that fish had to be stressed to the max and hopefully didn't die. And is the size limit going to be increased? If I'm not mistaken it's 42 right now?
"alumacraft07" said:
Good news for Diane it's a Great Lake. It's my home waters I live 10 minutes away. If there's anything that needs done at that location for the club or if the dnr needs assistance let me know. I'll see what I can do. The lake has been getting more angling pressure all the time. Is there a way to educate non members about surface temps this time of year? I was told at the launch on my last trip that a 53" was caught. Knowing the temps were on the edge all I could think was that fish had to be stressed to the max and hopefully didn't die. And is the size limit going to be increased? If I'm not mistaken it's 42 right now?
Educating the general public is tough, it's usually best done in person but that's a difficult proposition. Articles in Michigan specific magazines would help and probably something we should be working on.
As a broodstock lake Diane will get the regulations specific to a broodstock lake, November 30 closure and 50" MSL.
With GLM dancing in my head since the banquet and another birthday, I've been on the cranky old geezer side and I apologize. The one thing I'm wondering about is if Hudson is still a brood stock lake how about raising the size limit to 50'.When I took the first signs down to Diane I looked on line for directions and found they have a web site for there lake association. I think they meet once a month or so. I hate to tug on your cape Will. I guess you could see if you could go to one of these meeting and speak to them. Tell them how lucky they are to be a brood stock lake and what goes with it, tell them about the dangers of hot water temps, proper handling and release. All the great stuff you know. Thanks
"Steve S" said:
When I took the first signs down to Diane I looked on line for directions and found they have a web site for there lake association. I think they meet once a month or so. I hate to tug on your cape Will. I guess you could see if you could go to one of these meeting and speak to them. Tell them how lucky they are to be a brood stock lake and what goes with it, tell them about the dangers of hot water temps, proper handling and release. All the great stuff you know. Thanks
Good idea!!!!
"alumacraft07" said:
Will,
Was there a netting survey done on Diane this year? I was told by someone who lives on the lake there was recently one conducted. If so where can we find the results. Thanks
Not sure about that, I'm waiting to hear back from the Erie unit manager aboutique something else and I'll see what I can find out.
Yes there was a netting survey in may, it was a general status and trends survey. There were some muskies caught, don't have all the details but some NMUS around 40". LOTS of BIG wallyes caught. And the loads of stunted crappies previously seen had somewhat balanced out and there were a number of big crappies.
I wonder how the shad is holding up in the lake with the walleye? I know I seen a older survey where 13" shad were netted. I've caught some dandy walleyes on Muskie cranks. There's a guy that lives on the lake that regularly catches 28-30" walleye off the sewer line in the middle of the channel that's covered in lime stone.
Generally shad are underrepresented in netting surveys because they are often suspended in open water at that time. So I don't think they caught many. That lake Is loaded with carp and channel catfish too. They wallyes def love that rock strip in the narrows. Its weird jigging a cicada in 6 fow of water and having a giant wallye eat it directly under the boat, but I guess that's what you get in water that looks more like pudding then actual water.
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