I don't think they would really be gaining anything if they gained all waters for pike, as it is they have almost every water. It's more of a political move and something the DNR likes to see when a proposal of this type comes across their desks.
"Scott Williams" said:
Will, I admire you for standing and fighting at the expense of "dragging your name, and MMA through the mud."
Had "the talk" with my wife tonight… "This is going to get ugly honey", as usual she was 100% supportive.
"Scott Williams" said:
One of my thoughts "MMA supports the protection of fish staging in spawning locations when they are more vulnerable to a higher rate of exploitation" While this applies to hardwater it also applies to some open water scenarios (Torch River in May/June comes to mind).
Great point about wintering locations and increased vulnerability!!
Wow great input. I just spoke to a guy the other day that told me back about 10-15 years ago used to do very well spearing on skeg but has since stopped pursuing them there because of the lack of fish. I laughed right in his face. He says "what's so funny". I replied "your ignorance".
I know you probably already know this Will, and I'm sure help won't be limited but if you need anything like Scott said I'm right there beside you for what it's worth. Hell I'll bring a garden hose to wash the mud off.
I strongly agree with everything Will has said in regards to protecting muskies from spearing. We are indeed a passionate lot.
But many times these issues, like all political issues, come down to funding. So Will, please don't hesitate to ask for money from the membership should the need arise. This fight will take both our vocal and financial support.
Charlie
Not sure if the article Holmes put on the mdaa site is what is creating the stink, but it is laughable… again with the big money tournaments! its unfortunate that someone with that little of a clue has a say in anything, but democracies do give equal opportunity. scientifically speaking the two complaints of his are completely different (trout regs are on his ** you do not have permission to see this link ** list too), and his ideas of why mma exists are completely off base. he wīll have to get thru me too on this one…
and i concur with scott, thanks for mentioning extended closures and protections in the rivers. of utmost importance for michigan muskies for sure.
"spnplugger" said:
I strongly agree with everything Will has said in regards to protecting muskies from spearing. We are indeed a passionate lot.But many times these issues, like all political issues, come down to funding. So Will, please don't hesitate to ask for money from the membership should the need arise. This fight will take both our vocal and financial support.
Charlie
yeah will! this too!
I agree with everyones thoughts here and Will you know we all have your back in the fight. Just let us know whatever you need from us, whether it be vocal, financial or any other way we can help.
"Scott Williams" said:
One of my thoughts "MMA supports the protection of fish staging in spawning locations when they are more vulnerable to a higher rate of exploitation" While this applies to hardwater it also applies to some open water scenarios (Torch River in May/June comes to mind).
I think Scott's point about staging/spawning areas is very important to add. Obviously a statewide ban on muskie spearing should be the ultimate goal but if that is not attainable yet, I think pushing for little victories like protecting our native populations should be the highest priority right now.
I also agree with everything I've read here. I support all the points laid out in the beginning and I think Scott's addition is a very good one.
As Matt said I think it might be worth trying to get some of the spearers on our side, although I'm not quite sure what the best way to do this would be. The MS forum has a big group of darkhouse guys, many of which do not care about spearing muskies at all, but unfortunately many of us have learned our lesson about trying to have civil discussion about muskies over there.
I also feel like we could pretty easily get the support of the out of state anglers. LSC has become so popular in recent years, and a lot of that increase in popularity is from out of state anglers. Even the inland lakes here in SW MI have a lot of out of state guys that fish them. I would almost say I see more out of state musky anglers on Long, Bankson, and Round than I see MI anglers. Most, if not all, of these guys would likely be on board with a ban on musky spearing.
It sucks that this will get ugly and that you will be the main target Will, but I do believe this is the right stance to take and like everyone else I'm ready and willing to do what we need to do to try to get this done. I've avoided "going after" the darkhouse crowd too much in situations like working the booth for the spring show in GR or in bait shops locally, but I'm more than willing to be more aggressive in my approach if it means there's any chance we could pull this off.
"jasonvkop" said:
Has anyone ever brought up the idea of a musky spearing season like they do for sturgeon? Not supporting a season like that, just wondering if any angler, spearer, or DNR officer has brought that up before.
Yes, I'm most often comparing muskies to sturgeon and have mentioned many times how spearing should be a lake to lake lottery.
Not really an article as much as a written version of what he was presenting to the NRC.
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It is listed under the articles/tutorials section on their website as 2014 NRC report.
as if management and discrimination are always equal. Management is the protection of a species based on sound science, including population control or supplementation, and habitat protection. Social and economic influences always seem to creep in, but are not at all our goal as he states it is. His only basis is social however, and the only reason there is "tradition" is because of inaction by our DNR in the first place… but we all knew that already [smilie=attention.gif]
"vano397" said:
Not really an article as much as a written version of what he was presenting to the NRC.<url url="[Permission to view this media is denied]
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He wrote it in all caps, so he must mean business!
"Will Schultz" said:
So I know I've said this before and I still think it's the best and likely easiest way to stop spearing. What if we ignore spearing all together and close the season statewide on November 30th?
Fishing in December is nice and all but I would have no problem at all sacrificing the potential extra fishing time in the winter if it meant no spearing. I would definitely support this.
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