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Losing lures on the cast
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May 21, 2009 - 1:12 pm
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2 days fishing, 2 lures lost! Twice now I've lost lures and leaders on casts where my line backlashed. Does this happen to anyone else? The leaders were tied on new line with fresh Uni-Knots. I never had this problem last year at all, the only thing that has changed is the way I cast. Last year I casted side-arm and this year I've tried to do an overhead cast. Does this have anything to do with it? I haven't noticed that I'm casting any harder with the overhead movement but I'll gladly go back to side-arm. I really don't think I can take watching another $16 lure slowly sink to the bottom of the lake. Help!

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May 21, 2009 - 1:23 pm
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What line and pound test?

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May 21, 2009 - 1:25 pm
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80# Stealth

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May 21, 2009 - 1:44 pm
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You may have done all this already and I know it might sound very basic but it sounds like you might be getting a weak spot in the line or your knot is slipping or breaking under the shock. I would check every guide on the rod and the line guide on the reel for a rough spot or crack that could be causing a weak spot in the line. You shouldn't be breaking that line on a backlash unless you are trying to bomb cast an 8oz bait.

Have you noticed if there is line attached to the lure as it goes flying away or does it look like it broke at the leader? A uni shouldn't slip but it is possible. I like to leave plenty of tag (at least 1/2"). If you aren't you could try that to see if the knot slips while you are casting.

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May 21, 2009 - 1:51 pm
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to reply what will is saying about the guides is to take a q-tip and just run it through and around the guide. and if there is a crack or break it will pull the cotton of the swab. one of my very little tips i learned from reading.

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May 21, 2009 - 3:20 pm
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Thanks for the tips. I'll try the Q-Tip thing today. I left at least 1/2" of tag on my knot and from what I could see, it looked like it broke right at the knot.

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May 21, 2009 - 3:29 pm
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"Esoxonthefly" said:
Thanks for the tips. I'll try the Q-Tip thing today. I left at least 1/2" of tag on my knot and from what I could see, it looked like it broke right at the knot.

Were you using the uni last year? I'm wondering if braid doesn't like the uni, I've never tied it with braid. I would switch to the palomar, I've never had a knot failure with braid and the palomar. The only times I've broken lures off have been with lots of line attached. If you aren't seeing feet of line attached to the lure as it flys away the knot is probably the culprit.

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May 21, 2009 - 3:43 pm
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I used the Palomar knot with 80# and 100# Stealth all last year and had my share of backlashes without knot failure. Nor have I ever noticed any slippage with my Palomar knots.

Were you using a Palomar knot, JT?

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May 21, 2009 - 3:51 pm
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"hemichemi" said:

Were you using a Palomar knot, JT?

"Esoxonthefly" said:
The leaders were tied on new line with fresh Uni-Knots.

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May 21, 2009 - 4:01 pm
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Here you go direct from knot wars…
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Don't use the uni on braid, he notes both tested in this video slipped out on fireline! The palomar wins as the strongest line to lure connection in knot wars.

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May 21, 2009 - 4:18 pm
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AND….

the Palomar is so easy, even [size=150]I [/size] can do it! [smilie=biggrin.gif]

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I think it's important to pull both the attached line and the fly end tight SEPARATELY when using heavy braid. Pulling the attached end is easy; to pull the fly end tight, I grab near the end with my split-ring pliers and wrap the line around the jaws several times and then pull it tight. When done, the knot is quite compact. Also, I pass the initial loop through the tackle's eye TWICE when starting.

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May 21, 2009 - 5:50 pm
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The only time I get a backlash is when I try to cast WAY to hard. Even then, it's not really a backlash, but more of just a little tangle on my spool. I have found though, that I can cast further with a sidearm than overhand.

"Grumman14" said:
to reply what will is saying about the guides is to take a q-tip and just run it through and around the guide. and if there is a crack or break it will pull the cotton of the swab. one of my very little tips i learned from reading.

And THAT is a pretty slick trick! Cool

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May 21, 2009 - 6:47 pm
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yea i never get backlashes at all, unless its into the wind and like jim said, casting to hard. But i do check my knots after i tied to make sure they don't come loose with a lot of stress on them.

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May 21, 2009 - 7:38 pm
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"Esoxonthefly" said:
The leaders were tied on new line with fresh Uni-Knots.

R u connecting the line directly to a fluoro leader with the double uni knot??

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May 22, 2009 - 2:42 pm
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Will, yes I was using the Uni-Knot all last year. I think I'll give the Palomar a try.

Jim, I might have been trying to cast too hard. Sometimes I have idiot strength.

Jason, single Uni-Knot to a swivel.

I think I got everyone, thanks for the help./

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May 23, 2009 - 7:14 pm
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Just an update, I switched all my knots to Palomar knots so let's hope that does it.

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May 23, 2009 - 9:45 pm
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try snapping ur own line, my buddy messed around today with his line and he pulled incredibly hard and was able to pull every knot out. snapped most of them just above the knot itself. Hes respooling with the TUF line i use tomorrow.

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May 24, 2009 - 10:08 am
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Michelle and I use Power pro never a problem even with 65 but we use 80 and 100 on big baits. cant break it. Mike

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May 27, 2009 - 3:03 pm
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I use 65 and 80 Power Pro also with no problems. I've used the "Power Knot", supposedly invented by Joe Bucher and similar to the Palomar, for the last 25 years of muskie fishing and never had a slip

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May 27, 2009 - 3:18 pm
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"swanezy" said:
try snapping ur own line, my buddy messed around today with his line and he pulled incredibly hard and was able to pull every knot out. snapped most of them just above the knot itself. Hes respooling with the TUF line i use tomorrow.

What knot, what line and what pound test?

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