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Fishing During Closed Season - Your Input Wanted
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May 30, 2012 - 9:45 am
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I would like to hear your input on a possible regulation change for Michigan that would enable anglers to target any species during a closed season.

Current Fishing Guide/Legislation:
It is unlawful to: Take or attempt to take fish outside of the open season for that species.

Potential Fishing Guide/Legislation:
It is unlawful to: Harvest any fish outside of the open season dates for that species. It is legal to target species outside the open season for that species provided anglers practice Catch and Immediate Release (CIR).

This would not supercede any specific closures by water for spawning and may require further closures on some waters for spawning.

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May 30, 2012 - 10:22 am
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I have mixed emotions on this due to my experiences here with people illegally harvesting bass in March and April. The D.N.R. cant ticket really unless they have bass in their possession. I have had the boys here several times over bass poachers and they have caught a couple in the last two years. They have a real hard time enforcing the no target law. My problem with allowing the targeting of fish out of season is the fact that anglers will be legal on the water and catching those who are taking them will be even harder as no one will call to report. Once it is legal to fish them any time? they will take them any time. As it is if I see a guy throwing spinner baits in March I call the D.N.R. . They send an officer who watches them with optics and verifies if they are targeting out of season. Then they wait for them at the access site. My opinion is that Musky season should close before ice up around December 15th AND OPEN WHEN IT DOES. No targeting of them in between. I know , I have enjoyed the March madness a few times but to open it up to targeting any time is inviting more violations. My 2 cents. Mike

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May 30, 2012 - 10:22 am
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I for one would be against it. It's my understanding that the closed season is there so fish can successfully spawn. I would have to see proof that catching a bass or muskie that's full of eggs would not have a detrimental effect.

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May 30, 2012 - 10:36 am
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I'm for the change if nothing more than it is already happening all over the place anyways, and its confusing for most casual anglers. There is very little attempt to enforce the law as it stands now anyways and its full of grey areas. Hard to prove the intent or what species is truly being targetted in many cases. Make harvest seasons and allow ** you do not have permission to see this link ** outside of those seasons. If sensitive areas need to be closed to all fishing in order to allow spawning success than so be it.

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May 30, 2012 - 10:48 am
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"Mayhem" said:
Make harvest seasons and allow ** you do not have permission to see this link ** outside of those seasons. If sensitive areas need to be closed to all fishing in order to allow spawning success than so be it.

Pretty much sums up my feelings. If natural reproduction is low, nonexistent, or unaffected by angling pressure, then I would love to see those waters open all year to C&R. Similar to what they did on many trout streams.

I understand the need to eliminate poaching, but I don't think rules should made based on the bad apples. Poachers are going to poach. Its what they do.

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May 30, 2012 - 11:04 am
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"Mayhem" said:
I'm for the change if nothing more than it is already happening all over the place anyways, and its confusing for most casual anglers. There is very little attempt to enforce the law as it stands now anyways and its full of grey areas. Hard to prove the intent or what species is truly being targetted in many cases. Make harvest seasons and allow ** you do not have permission to see this link ** outside of those seasons. If sensitive areas need to be closed to all fishing in order to allow spawning success than so be it.

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May 30, 2012 - 11:46 am
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I dont think it would effect muskies much as they are mostly stocked anyways. However If its a general rule they will slaughter bass and walleyes,pike and other fish like trout. Right now you can NOT even be on a designated trout stream with a rod between September 30th and the last Saturday in April. That needs to stay that way. Though we may gain 6 weeks of catch and release if its a blanket law it will destroy MUCH OF Michigan's fisheries. Imagine the extra strain on D.N.R to have to monitor trout streams in the winter? Bass through the ice, walleye in March in the rivers? I say no freaking way. This would be a step backwards in regulations. Look you guys , I live on a lake and I see the infractions daily in March , April and May. All making cir fishing legal 12 months a year will do is allow violators on the water legally and make it that much tougher to police. NO NO NO NO NO . Mike

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May 30, 2012 - 11:55 am
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[quote="Mayhem"] . There is very little attempt to enforce the law as it stands now anyways and its full of grey areas.

That is not true. There is a great effort to police these guys. But yes it is hard to enforce so making it easier to be on the water will fix that? I think not. I would counter propose that anyone with any lure other than a panfish rig should ticketed when out of season.

Case in point. I talked with D.N.R. officer John Jurich three days ago. He stopped over and told me they had stepped up efforts to catch bass poachers on our lake. He busted two guys who had Bass lures on their lines but not for that. They also had no fishing licenses and no numbers on the boat. They were cpr fishing for bass. John told them what they were doing was ticketable. They said they thought they could catch and release bass from March 1st to the first Saturday in June.

We are fighting here to keep these poachers off our lake PERIOD! I dont want them to have a legal right to throw bass lures or pike lures out of season.

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May 30, 2012 - 12:07 pm
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"Vito" said:
[quote="Mayhem"]Make harvest seasons and allow ** you do not have permission to see this link ** outside of those seasons. If sensitive areas need to be closed to all fishing in order to allow spawning success than so be it.

Pretty much sums up my feelings. If natural reproduction is low, nonexistent, or unaffected by angling pressure, then I would love to see those waters open all year to C&R. Similar to what they did on many trout streams.

I understand the need to eliminate poaching, but I don't think rules should made based on the bad apples. Poachers are going to poach. Its what they do.

Pretty much sums up my thoughts with these 2 post.

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May 30, 2012 - 12:11 pm
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I would hope and assume type 1 trout streams would remain closed to all fishing outside of trout season as it is now. I'm not concerned one bit that this rule change would lead to more poaching of warmwater species. If you kill a bass/pike/muskie/wallye out of season your poacher now and you'll still be a poacher after the rule change. Keeping fish is easy to enforce, proving intent and trying to prove what species your targetting is not. Any nice sunny day in early april and you will find guys on almost every lake in the state casting pike/bass lures. Ather massively step up enforcement or change the law.

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May 30, 2012 - 12:14 pm
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"Kingfisher" said:
Right now you can NOT even be on a designated trout stream with a rod between September 30th and the last Saturday in April.

Mike, that got changed years ago. Many trout streams are open to catch and release fishing all year. They have opened up many more miles of water in the last couple years as well. It has dramatically increased the my time on the river. Especially my time away from the crowds. I love it.

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May 30, 2012 - 12:34 pm
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Some things to think about…

CIR bass season starting on the last Saturday in April has had no measureable inpact on Largemouth or Smallmouth bass.

Specific stream and lake closures would not be impacted by a regulation change.

The current "spawning closures" often don't cover the actual spawning time of specific species.

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May 30, 2012 - 12:57 pm
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I'm in favor of the proposed change.

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May 30, 2012 - 1:00 pm
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As much as I would enjoy fishing earlier in the year and more often, I would personally be against this change. The reason seasons are closed when they are is because the fish are so concentrated in certain areas and very easy to catch during the closed season. And not only are the fish concentrated in these areas but the big females and most important breeders are especially vulnerable during these times. I was already against the CIR bass season in May because there are areas of some lakes where you can pull out 5-6 or more 20+ inch female smallmouth fat with eggs in a couple hour time span all from a small area of the lake. Even though Catch and Immediate Release is a good thing and is fairly harmless to fish in most cases, it is not always the case. Most people who arent diehard fisherman don’t catch bass that big often in their life and when they do they keep these fish out of the water for so long for pictures and whatnot that even though they have good intentions many don’t survive. Plus, fishing slow baits off the bottom for them often leads to fish swallowing the hook and not surviving afterwards because of it.

I think our regulations as a whole are too lenient as it is and this would only be a step in the wrong direction backwards. If any seasons are changed I would rather see them be stricter and have more of a sound biological backing rather than based off of general public opinion and the desire for people to have more fishing opportunities.

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May 30, 2012 - 1:08 pm
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"MattG_braith" said:
As much as I would enjoy fishing earlier in the year and more often, I would personally be against this change. The reason seasons are closed when they are is because the fish are so concentrated in certain areas and very easy to catch during the closed season. And not only are the fish concentrated in these areas but the big females and most important breeders are especially vulnerable during these times. I was already against the CIR bass season in May because there are areas of some lakes where you can pull out 5-6 or more 20+ inch female smallmouth fat with eggs in a couple hour time span all from a small area of the lake. Even though CIR is a good thing and is fairly harmless to fish in most cases, it is not always the case. Most people don’t catch bass that big often in their life and when they do they keep these fish out of the water for so long for pictures and whatnot that even though they have good intentions many don’t survive. Plus, fishing slow baits off the bottom for them often leads to fish swallowing the hook and not surviving afterwards because of it.

I think our regulations as a whole are too lenient as it is and this would only be a step in the wrong direction backwards. If any seasons are changed I would rather see them be stricter and have more of a sound biological backing rather than based off of general public opinion and the desire for people to have more fishing opportunities.

What if the biology says allowing fishing has no impact on the species overall?

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May 30, 2012 - 1:15 pm
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I feel like I am in the minority here but I am definitely with Mike on this. Some fish just should not be targeted during certain times of the year regardless if they are being released.

I also know way too many people who would use this CIR season to harvest fish they shouldnt just because they are not likely to be caught. Giving them the ability to legally target these fish is only going to encourage them to do this more often. I understand the arguement that you shouldnt base regulation decisions on those who break them anyways but in this case I think you really have to take these people into consideration.

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May 30, 2012 - 1:17 pm
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"Kingfisher" said:
[quote="Mayhem"] . There is very little attempt to enforce the law as it stands now anyways and its full of grey areas.

That is not true. There is a great effort to police these guys.

I think you'll find many that don't agree with that. I talked to a person who lives on a lake that called in many people this spring targetting bass and even muskies out of season. The result, not a single patrol of the lake.

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May 30, 2012 - 1:21 pm
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"MattG_braith" said:
I feel like I am in the minority here but I am definitely with Mike on this. Some fish just should not be targeted during certain times of the year regardless if they are being released.

Tell me more… What fish and why?

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May 30, 2012 - 1:27 pm
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"Will Schultz" said:
What if the biology says allowing fishing has no impact on the species overall?

If there was strong biological evidence supporting this, then it would make sense but I would like to see this evidence and would also like to know what lakes this evidence was found in. I know from my personal fishing experience I have seen the smallmouth fishing drastically diminished in the last decade on the lake I fish the most. This could be due to things other than the CIR season but I know fishing pressure and over harvest is the main if not only culprit. I obviously don’t have any specific biological evidence to support my assumption other than fishing experiences but I don’t know any other reason that it could be. This just leads me to lean more towards stricter regulations as opposed to making them even more non-existent then they already are.

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May 30, 2012 - 1:33 pm
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"Will Schultz" said:
Tell me more… What fish and why?

Specifically smallmouth bass in our northern lakes and northern pike in our southern river systems.

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