I don't mind the fact of the tourny is being moved, but to haved it moved to be more centrally located stinks. Is this southern michigan muskie alliance or michigan muskie alliance. Sorry to vent but planned on going to sanford this year work finally made it possible to get there, even though it it is still 3 hours to get there. Now there is no way. Jayme W.
Guys I am going to make a few assumptions and see if we can understand this a little. In order for the primary fundraising event of the year to be succesful it needs to be well attended. In order for a fishing tournament to be attended people need to believe that they can win or at least place. The problem with Sanford is that it is gaining a reputation for being an overfished musky lake with low catch rates. This makes many people not want to attend. By putting the tournament on a more musky-fishermen-friendly lake the club stands to do a lot better financially AND possibly attract some people who will not fish Sanford. Is the big fish potential present on Ovid? No. Is there a chance more than three people will catch/see fish? Yes. Sanford has suffered and prospered from to much publicity in the last five years IMO it is time that the tournament be moved and I think it should move again in a few years if Ovid does not prove to be lucrative to the club in terms of new member interest and $$ in the kitty. The bottom line is that there are a few people running this club and they are doing the best that they can with limited resources. If someone has an idea for a tournament or outing I can assure you they will be met with open arms and some assistance. Unfortunately the kind of help normally offered is someone saying they don't like a decision that they offered no input on. This was not done lightly, it was done in the overall best interest of the club by the people in a position to know what that is. As Chad has said people need to step up and help or stop nay-saying. Hindsight is real easy- so is armchair quarterbacking. The bottom line is that this club has, under its current leadership, put tens of thousands of muskies into the state of Michigan with very little help. I have and will continue to support the decisions of the executive arm of this club until I see a real reason not to, or someone offers a better plan. Until then this finger pointing gets us no where. Either support the club or quit, but the whining needs to stop.
Kevin
Participation is the bottom line. We've tried lots of ways (more cash, more advertising, less entry, more prizes, etc.) to get more people involved on Sanford and haven't been successful. Basically it was time to make a decision, either it moves to another location or we scrap the tournament completely. The MMA membership has about 1/3 in West Michigan and another 1/3 in greater Detroit, the rest is spread across the state.
If this doesn't make a difference in the participation I wouldn't expect to see a tournament in 2007. If a tournament isn't helping with our bank account there's no reason to continue, in my opinion.
Here's how it looks for driving distance:
Gaylord – Ovid = 150 miles
Gaylord – Sanford = 120 miles
Detroit – Ovid = 110 miles
Detroit – Sanford= 130 miles
Grand Rapids – Ovid = 70 miles
Grand Rapids – Sanford = 115 miles
Kalamazoo – Ovid = 95 miles
Kalamazoo – Sanford = 165 miles
If you want to see more events in your area get involved. Until we have enough people to get things done you'll continue to see events in areas where they can easily be planned by those running your chapter.
Quit Whinning?…arm-chair quarterbacking?
Wow…pretty bold..
yea, most of us aren't retards and understand the reason for the move, so i guess we should just shut up and go to ovid, but sense a few of us made a comment we need to be put in our place by the higher ups. I think more people would help out in the club if they weren't dumbed down and crapped on like they are retards.
I can't do anything about 90% of the club being in SW MI. All I was simply Implying is that sanford was the one outing i could make. And now its moved. But hey, I guess we can't vent at all on here like some said we could being an open forum. This is becoming less and less of a friendly site. Most members don't even post reports. All the talk is about money lately and less fishing. I don't know all the info, and still am vastly a novice at fishing for muskie, but want to see fish get stocked in lakes that need it to continue and further the success of the sport we all love.
And yes i understand it's not that simple. Grrr I better stop there…
Not trying to stir the pot, but my assumption was the tourney was created to generate money for the MMA. Unlike the outings which are a club based get togethers more so for the comradery and info dissemination. Is this assumption correct?
How many years has the fall tourney been at Sanford?
What has the turn out been in those years?
Has there ever been MMA tourney (fall or not) on other lakes?
How has the turn out been on those?
Bryan – I don't think anyone was being talked down to. Cyberlunge is not a member of the executive committee (a higher up) but is one of the forum moderators. He's also allowed to have and express an opinion here, as anyone that would like to share their input on this topic has the right.
Also as a moderator, it's part of his job to "moderate". Ergo he needs to communicate some things that may seem like a given to some. Others may not realize, initially, WHY the tournament needed to be moved.
Now if, as you stated, everyone truly understood the reason for the move they should support the move. Afterall, when the MMA is successful it benefits everyone.
As you note, most members aren't posting reports (not participating). Speak up and ask WHY, I have for years and it seems to make very little difference. Funny though… everyone reads the reports. Basic rule = read one, leave one.
Lastly, yes there's a lot of talk about money lately. Everything we do requires money, the DNR is short of money… it's the nature of the beast and until I win the lottery we'll always need to discuss money.
I have a few questions now…
If we didn't have a tournament would anyone miss it?
If we made it an outing at Sanford instead would the same six guys show up that were at the Wixom outing last year?
You can't please everyone. Some may not like having to drive to ovid, but how do you know the turn out unless you try it. Might as well. I mean its all about the attendence. I know I am one that will attend now that I know there is more of a chance of actually catching a fish. Maybe this wont work, maybe hardly anyone will show up…but if thats the case, move it again untill we find what works. I don't really care where it is at. If you think this is where people will show up, then its the best desision whether it be ovid, sanford or even thornapple. wherever its all about the attendence.
You can't please everyone
Maybe this wont work, maybe hardly anyone will show up…but if thats the case, move it again untill we find what works. I don't really care where it is at. If you think this is where people will show up, then its the best desision whether it be ovid, sanford or even thornapple. wherever its all about the attendence.
Amen Brother!
"Gabe" said:
I'm not speaking for my self I have on comment, but there are a few people on this side of the state that feel the same way you do give bomba a call or Will and find out the reason's why .
I'm sure the same people complaining "on this side of the state" are the same ones that continue to complain about having it on Sanford because they don't wan't people fishing "their Lake". Some people are born leaders, some people are born followers, some people are born
whiney little babies….Regardless, the tourny was moved in an attempt
to get a little better turnout for the club….It's the second biggest fundraiser for the club behind the banquet. thats the purpose of this all, remember??? To help the DNR anyway we can, without the MMA the state of the fishery would be pretty sorry, and we wouldn't have this cool little forum where we can PM each other and accuse people of lying on the
lunge log. or complain about where the outings are, or where the tournaments are being held. or read peoples fishing reports to get info, but never leave a report yourself. I could go on and on….but I think you all get my point. Sanford is definately closer for me than Ovid, but I'll do what I got to do..
If you can make the drive to Ovid from wherever you live and fish thats
fantastic, if not, thats fine too….but lets not criticize(the few people) who are keeping this club afloat and are trying to do things right…..
Step up to the plate and help out or shut up!!!
Bryan-
That was not pointed at you… Just the detraction in general. Whenever something gets done in this club it is by the veterans. You are still new and have not seen all that has transpired. If you want to vent go ahead- but expect a response. We have been basically having this same thread over and over since winter.
Muskies cost money.
We want muskies
Therefore we need more money
Sanford is not the only musky lake in the state and to continue to act like it is the only one north of LSC is costing the club potential new members. The problem with the "input" is that most of it comes after the fact. Its like I tell my wife- If you want a say in what color I paint the house you have to speak up BEFORE I am 80% done. The tournament committee could use year round input, where is it?
Kevin
90 % of members in WMICH ❓ ❓ I thought it was 1/3??LMAO 
Maybe this site will end up like the inc lunge log a few years ago 😕 No wait……I guess it does seem like the only people are fishin are the WMICH,sanford,ovid,LSC guys…………..BECAUSE they are the only ones leaving reports……HA !!! A good handful of people I know stopped leaving reports………BECAUSE it is the same people leaving reports !!!!
I don`t think the tournament is THAT important !! I think we could do something else and raise as much money with less headaches/people being upset.I think outings/tournaments should change annually/bi-annually,unless you are onto a good bite year after year,or the group has a especially good time getting together.Most outings/tournaments I have been to have been pretty well organized(mesick/manistee guys,etc..)Look for some changes in 2007-2008……….we are going to have a good time one way or another……
DU 
Dan I am planning something for fall 2007………probably not LOTW,probably not vermilion……but maybe.But more than likely NMICH/UP/Or NW Wisc.If you want maybe between our two stupid heads we can come up with one good idea.I`m thinkin minimum 3 night stay-week long stay in the northwoods.??
DU
yes…….a small affordable group trip.Doesn`t matter if it`s 2,3,4 or more groups/boats.
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