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BAD ICE RELEASES...I THINK..HELP
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February 11, 2009 - 11:09 am
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GUY AT WORK GOT TWO MORE SKIIS THIS LAST WEEKEND ON TIP UPS….I NOTICED IN HIS PICTURES…FISH LOOKED NICE,CLEAN NO BLOOD ET…35 & 41.BUT I DID NOTICE A STRING/LEADER PIECE ABOUT 6 INCHES HANGING OUT OF THE MOUTH.HE`S USING BLUEGILLS AND TREBLES AND NOT HITTIN THEM FAST ENOUGH I THINK.AT LEAST HE`S NOT REEFIN THEM OUT AND BEING A SURGEON,BUT I THINK A BLUEGILL AND TREBLE IN THE STOMACH WOULD EQUAL =DEAD MUSKIE..NO??I KNOW A SINGLEHOOK ON A JAW OR INSIDE THE JAW A LITTLE WILL RUST OUT EVENTUALLY..BUT THE TREBLE SCARES ME IT WOULD GO THRU ALL THE DIGESTION OR NOT AND/OR EVEN GET STUCK OR MESS WITH THE ORGANS??

DAVE??? [smilie=bangtard.gif]
I`VE GOT TO TALK TO HIM AGAIN I THINK…

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February 11, 2009 - 11:35 am
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If the hook is deep in the mouth the fish might be OK but if it is swallowed and the hook is left in the fish they will die. The single hook sucker study showed that 100% of the fish died.

If he's just being lazy and not getting the hook out of the mouth when it's deep then he needs to get some better tools. I would also strongly advise he uses a circle hook, then if he is waiting too long it won't matter because the hook will slide out of the throat.

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February 11, 2009 - 12:12 pm
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i caught a muskie before that had a rusted sucker hook that was half coming out of its side, near stomach, so i pulled it out and it swam away fine who knows if it lived or not but it looked to be fine

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February 11, 2009 - 1:13 pm
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Also, hooks will not "rust away" within the lifetime of the fish. If hooks or hook pieces are left in, they can be the cause of infection and mortality, even if they remain in the jaw/mouth. If you have to cut a hook out, you should remove all the embedded pieces afterward before releasing the fish.

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February 11, 2009 - 1:19 pm
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Talk with him Dave. Spred a little sunshine his way.

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February 12, 2009 - 8:45 am
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FOUND OUT HE WAS USING A SINGLE HOOK…????SAME DEAL =DEATH???

DAVE

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February 12, 2009 - 9:44 am
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"NSTAGATOR" said:
FOUND OUT HE WAS USING A SINGLE HOOK…????SAME DEAL =DEATH???

DAVE

Yes, if they are hooked past the throat they will die…

Here's a little from Margeneau's study:

Effects of a Single-hook Live Bait Angling Technique on Muskellunge Survival
Terry L. Margenau
Use of live bait is a popular method to fish muskellunge during fall months. However, muskellunge anglers have expressed concern that certain live bait techniques may cause muskellunge mortality to be unacceptably high. This study monitored the survival of adult muskellunge (31.5 to 42.3 in) for a period up to one year after being angled using a single-hook live bait rig where muskellunge were allowed to swallow the bait prior to hook set. Over a two-year period a total of 40 muskellunge (20 fish/year) were field transferred into a 1-acre lined hatchery pond in early September. After allowing muskellunge several weeks to acclimate to the hatchery pond, angling was initiated using live suckers (approximately 12 in) with a 10/0 single hook attached to the suckers snout and suspended from a bobber. A total of 22 muskellunge were hooked with the single-hook rig. Hooked fish were landed as quickly as possible, inspected for hooking location and injury, and released after cutting the leader. Average time from a strike until hook set averaged 17 minutes. Play-time (hook set to landing) averaged less than one minute, and handling time averaged approximately 5 minutes. Immediate mortality (first 24 h after hooking) of muskellunge was zero. Short-term delayed mortality (24 h until ice formation; approximately 45 d) was 22%. Cumulative mortality (hooking until one year) was 83%. Results from this study have several implications for management agencies and anglers. First, all fish hooked appeared healthy after being caught and released, thus leading an angler to believe that the release was successful.

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February 12, 2009 - 1:31 pm
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THANX…CAUGHT HIM AT A BAD MOMENT(TIMING)..HE DIDN`T TAKE IT TO WELL..BUT HE IS IN HIS 50`S,MATURE AND SMART….

AT LEAST HE NOW KNOWS….
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February 12, 2009 - 5:30 pm
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What lake is he going to, Dave?

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February 13, 2009 - 6:52 am
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LET`S JUST SAY THERE WILL PROBABLY BE A COUPLE OF FLOATERS IN KENT COUNTY THIS SPRING… [smilie=cry.gif]

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February 13, 2009 - 11:09 am
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Hey,
Just do your thing Dave. Lots of people cant be told nothin'
but at least your trying. [smilie=applause.gif]
Invite him to the banquet, hell Me and Brad will pick
him up if he needs a lift!!

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