Fished from 7:00AM to 5:00PM, Wind nill, water temp guess probably into mid 60's, clarity pea soup about 2 ft Nothing no follows all I saw was carp everywhere. I think we are about two weeks behind, at this time last year the weeds were almost gone. Talked to eight other boats and nothing trolling or casting. Except one guy and his wife, you'll love this! He said he got a 52" muskie on spinning rod, 10lb test no leader!! [smilie=bs.gif] As I'm looking into his boat I said how did you get him into that net (panfish size). He said that was no problem, the trouble was getting him to the boat, yeah right. All I said was O.K. and that's when I decided I've had enough for the day and left. Steve