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Yes and... http://www.twincitiesmuskiesinc.org/hug ... /index.phpSteve S wrote:Is this money from the Hugh C. Becker fund. Don't want to sound like a idiot here (whats new) but who is Hugh C. Becker?
Wow lots of questions firing from all over! great to see what a stir the ol spotted fish have caused.Jim tenHaaf wrote:Joe, there was an article in Musky Hunter back in 2008 written by Steve Gensen on a lot of the differences that he has observed fishing both Wisconsin and Minnesota waters. There were some differences like the GLS are pack feeders, and there are more intense feeding windows, whereas the barred were more likely to bite at any time throughout the day. Also, the GLS seemed to be more wandering. I still have the mag and can make copies if you are interested in reading it.
I'm sure you're right and it will complicate things a bit, but a lot of the current muskies have been pit-tagged, which will help. They might fin-clip the new ones too I wonder?MattG_braith wrote:Wouldnt using Thornapple as a broodstock lake be difficult when collecting eggs from the GLS plants with all of the Northerns already in there?
He does actually call them "GLS" in the arcticle though so he does mislead us there.Jim tenHaaf wrote:Agreed that the Minnesota strain doesnt necessarily mean "spotted", but in his article, he specificall said the spotted, or "Leech Lake" strain vs barred or "Wisconsin" strain.
Do we KNOW that the GLS is different from those fish?Esoxonthefly wrote:He does actually call them "GLS" in the arcticle though so he does mislead us there.Jim tenHaaf wrote:Agreed that the Minnesota strain doesnt necessarily mean "spotted", but in his article, he specificall said the spotted, or "Leech Lake" strain vs barred or "Wisconsin" strain.
From what little I know, and I am sure theres a lot more to the logistics, but these current GLS fish from St. Clair, even though the "SAME" as the fish in the antrim chain and other natural populations, still might be "DIFFERENT"...at least enough that they want to make sure that spawning and other things won't get messed up, and then hurt the original population. so if someone else wants to break down the timeline and cost associated with this, or add anything please do!LonLB wrote:Do we KNOW that the GLS is different from those fish?Esoxonthefly wrote:He does actually call them "GLS" in the arcticle though so he does mislead us there.Jim tenHaaf wrote:Agreed that the Minnesota strain doesnt necessarily mean "spotted", but in his article, he specificall said the spotted, or "Leech Lake" strain vs barred or "Wisconsin" strain.
All of the GL MUS going into the broodstock lakes will be PIT tagged so there is no question.Duke wrote:I'm sure you're right and it will complicate things a bit, but a lot of the current muskies have been pit-tagged, which will help. They might fin-clip the new ones too I wonder?MattG_braith wrote:Wouldnt using Thornapple as a broodstock lake be difficult when collecting eggs from the GLS plants with all of the Northerns already in there?
Yes. Genetic testing leaves no question.LonLB wrote:Do we KNOW that the GLS is different from those fish?Esoxonthefly wrote:He does actually call them "GLS" in the arcticle though so he does mislead us there.Jim tenHaaf wrote:Agreed that the Minnesota strain doesnt necessarily mean "spotted", but in his article, he specificall said the spotted, or "Leech Lake" strain vs barred or "Wisconsin" strain.
What about when they raise some GLS at Wolf Lake and use them to plant more in Thornapple? Can they PIT tag a YOY fish? Or won't they ever put fish in Thornapple that weren't adults harvested from LSC?Will Schultz wrote:All of the GL MUS going into the broodstock lakes will be PIT tagged so there is no question.Duke wrote:I'm sure you're right and it will complicate things a bit, but a lot of the current muskies have been pit-tagged, which will help. They might fin-clip the new ones too I wonder?MattG_braith wrote:Wouldnt using Thornapple as a broodstock lake be difficult when collecting eggs from the GLS plants with all of the Northerns already in there?
No adults are being removed from St Clair and put inland, it will be an egg take only. Yes, it is no problem PIT tagging the fall fingerlings.hemichemi wrote:What about when they raise some GLS at Wolf Lake and use them to plant more in Thornapple? Can they PIT tag a YOY fish? Or won't they ever put fish in Thornapple that weren't adults harvested from LSC?Will Schultz wrote:All of the GL MUS going into the broodstock lakes will be PIT tagged so there is no question.Duke wrote: I'm sure you're right and it will complicate things a bit, but a lot of the current muskies have been pit-tagged, which will help. They might fin-clip the new ones too I wonder?
Duh. I knew that. Brain fart...Will Schultz wrote:No adults are being removed from St Clair and put inland, it will be an egg take only.hemichemi wrote:What about when they raise some GLS at Wolf Lake and use them to plant more in Thornapple? Can they PIT tag a YOY fish? Or won't they ever put fish in Thornapple that weren't adults harvested from LSC?Will Schultz wrote: All of the GL MUS going into the broodstock lakes will be PIT tagged so there is no question.
I need more coffee!Except the cost & manpower for installing PIT tags in all those little fish that are not going to survive... Even if those PIT tags are dirt cheap there still is a better way. Fin clips, or just choose some fresh lakes to start with so you don't have to tag them until they are growed up.Will Schultz wrote:No adults are being removed from St Clair and put inland, it will be an egg take only. Yes, it is no problem PIT tagging the fall fingerlings.
Exactly! What I mean is that the "Leech Lake" strain is not the GLS!!! This is all understandably quite confusing. I gotta double check but I don't think Genson talked about Green Bay fish?- these would be the only GLS fish that he might have compared.Jim wrote:Agreed that the Minnesota strain doesnt necessarily mean "spotted", but in his article, he specificall said the spotted, or "Leech Lake" strain vs barred or "Wisconsin" strain.
The cost an manpower really isn't much of a concern, it's not like it will take a team of five people a week to place tags.Duke wrote:Except the cost & manpower for installing PIT tags in all those little fish that are not going to survive... Even if those PIT tags are dirt cheap there still is a better way. Fin clips, or just choose some fresh lakes to start with so you don't have to tag them until they are growed up.Will Schultz wrote:No adults are being removed from St Clair and put inland, it will be an egg take only. Yes, it is no problem PIT tagging the fall fingerlings.